[SP] Wrecked
Quote from Motig on April 16, 2012, 1:52 pmHey guys sorry for not replying, I've been away the whole weekend.
@KennKong: Good to hear you had more fun on your second playthrough and that it's playable with a controller! Getting the end door to open with just 3 cubes definitely isn't intended, I'll probably make it so you can't stand on the edge of the door. I had actually thought of making sure the cube would go to the middle of the ventilator but I wasn't sure if it's needed. I can see is being really frustrating though. Thanks for playing and giving it a second chance!
@grayarea: Thanks for letting me know about the particles, I did see that happen at someone else but I didn't figure out what caused it! You're probably right about the button not being very obvious, next time I have a similar setup I'll try to make it more clear and I'll be looking into the elevator bug. Thanks for playing and glad you enjoyed it!
@jacu: You're right about it being impossible to get to the top bridge. I knew I should've fixed that little ledge at the end door! Removing the little ledge should make that pretty hard to do since you'd have to shoot your portals in flight. Nice find though!, thanks for the video!
@PCdoc: Thank you for the kind words, glad you're enjoying/enjoyed it! [spoiler]My intended solution to that part is dropping it from the ceiling into a portal that leads to the ventilator. You can then turn off the ventilator to simulate a big drop and let the cube fling to the other side of the water. But as people have shown there are multiple solutions to it.
About the turrets, my intended solution is not to kill them but simply make it so you have the door closed and a lightbridge up. I never thought of killing them when making the map. The only way you can get past the turrets right now is by killing 2 and running really fast or doing it the intended way. The intended way is putting a laser cube on the elevator, you can then aim it at the door catcher and close it while using your portals for a bridge![/spoiler]
I'll be making a new version later today that should fix the latest issues posted. After that there shouldn't really be any left I think.
Hey guys sorry for not replying, I've been away the whole weekend.
@KennKong: Good to hear you had more fun on your second playthrough and that it's playable with a controller! Getting the end door to open with just 3 cubes definitely isn't intended, I'll probably make it so you can't stand on the edge of the door. I had actually thought of making sure the cube would go to the middle of the ventilator but I wasn't sure if it's needed. I can see is being really frustrating though. Thanks for playing and giving it a second chance!
@grayarea: Thanks for letting me know about the particles, I did see that happen at someone else but I didn't figure out what caused it! You're probably right about the button not being very obvious, next time I have a similar setup I'll try to make it more clear and I'll be looking into the elevator bug. Thanks for playing and glad you enjoyed it!
@jacu: You're right about it being impossible to get to the top bridge. I knew I should've fixed that little ledge at the end door! Removing the little ledge should make that pretty hard to do since you'd have to shoot your portals in flight. Nice find though!, thanks for the video!
@PCdoc: Thank you for the kind words, glad you're enjoying/enjoyed it!
About the turrets, my intended solution is not to kill them but simply make it so you have the door closed and a lightbridge up. I never thought of killing them when making the map. The only way you can get past the turrets right now is by killing 2 and running really fast or doing it the intended way. The intended way is putting a laser cube on the elevator, you can then aim it at the door catcher and close it while using your portals for a bridge!
I'll be making a new version later today that should fix the latest issues posted. After that there shouldn't really be any left I think.
Quote from madcat1030 on April 16, 2012, 3:35 pmMotig, re: the three turrets. You can get by them without closing the door, even with the fizzler in the way. [spoiler]Just run about 1/3 the way in front of the door then backpedal it to safety, and wait for them to start to shut down, then run across. It uses the shut-down timer glitch, but it works.[/spoiler] Just thought I'd let you know.
Also, in the fan/sucker/lightbridge/funnel room, I solved that without using the fan to hold it to the ceiling, [spoiler]I just kept going up to the walkway you come in by and dropping it from that. I then put a portal on that one surface next to where the blocks drop from, and it sent the box into another fling-panel and, I timed the light bridge to turn on under it, using the funnel with the other box.[/spoiler]
Very fun map.
Motig, re: the three turrets. You can get by them without closing the door, even with the fizzler in the way.
Also, in the fan/sucker/lightbridge/funnel room, I solved that without using the fan to hold it to the ceiling,
Very fun map.
Quote from sicklebrick on April 16, 2012, 6:29 pmHeh, I'm scared to report bugs incase it puts you off making another one :p
I know how it feels to finish a project then have to fix bits here and there.So I'd like to point out that I'm not picking holes in the map; it's one of my favourites now and I've just been playing the shit out of it - like a whole bunch of people! A few bits are knda ninja and ignoreable, and a few you're probably already aware of, but here they are anyhoo
Heh, I'm scared to report bugs incase it puts you off making another one :p
I know how it feels to finish a project then have to fix bits here and there.
So I'd like to point out that I'm not picking holes in the map; it's one of my favourites now and I've just been playing the shit out of it - like a whole bunch of people! A few bits are knda ninja and ignoreable, and a few you're probably already aware of, but here they are anyhoo
Quote from quatrus on April 16, 2012, 7:15 pmVery complex puzzle in the map. I went through most of it, but just couldn't get the turret room, had to noclip back (burned two) sorry. Also, couldn't catch the cube at 3 upstairs....not fast enough I guess....Excellent map, thanks for creating....
Very complex puzzle in the map. I went through most of it, but just couldn't get the turret room, had to noclip back (burned two) sorry. Also, couldn't catch the cube at 3 upstairs....not fast enough I guess....Excellent map, thanks for creating....
Quote from Motig on April 16, 2012, 7:47 pmquatrus wrote:Very complex puzzle in the map. I went through most of it, but just couldn't get the turret room, had to noclip back (burned two) sorry. Also, couldn't catch the cube at 3 upstairs....not fast enough I guess....Excellent map, thanks for creating....Thanks for playing and telling me where you got stuck, helps me avoid confusing puzzles for the next map!
[spoiler]The intended solution to get past the turrets is to close the door by using the elevator and a laser cube. That way you can close the turret door and just use a lightbridge with a portal.
If by 3 you mean the room with the tractor beam, you don't have to catch anything. There's actually multiple ways to solve it as people have found out. My intended solution is that you fling the cube towards the windows with the far right catapult and then you quickly disable/enable the lightbridge with the floor button to make sure it doesn't fall down. Or maybe you were trying to do that?[/spoiler]
@madcat1030: I know about the turret and the ability to run past them, I don't really think there's anything I can do about that so I'll probably just leave it be. Sounds to me like your solution to the room with the tractor beam is pretty close to how I intended it to be! Glad you enjoyed it!
@sicklebrick: Haha, cheers for the video! I'm actually glad most of the "bugs" don't really break the map but still force the player to use certain elements. I'll have a look at which ones I'll fix! And hopefully then start some work on a new map!
I think I will upload a video myself of how I intended the map to be solved so people can look at that when they're stuck.
Thanks for playing and telling me where you got stuck, helps me avoid confusing puzzles for the next map!
If by 3 you mean the room with the tractor beam, you don't have to catch anything. There's actually multiple ways to solve it as people have found out. My intended solution is that you fling the cube towards the windows with the far right catapult and then you quickly disable/enable the lightbridge with the floor button to make sure it doesn't fall down. Or maybe you were trying to do that?
@madcat1030: I know about the turret and the ability to run past them, I don't really think there's anything I can do about that so I'll probably just leave it be. Sounds to me like your solution to the room with the tractor beam is pretty close to how I intended it to be! Glad you enjoyed it!
@sicklebrick: Haha, cheers for the video! I'm actually glad most of the "bugs" don't really break the map but still force the player to use certain elements. I'll have a look at which ones I'll fix! And hopefully then start some work on a new map!
I think I will upload a video myself of how I intended the map to be solved so people can look at that when they're stuck.
Quote from Idolon on April 16, 2012, 8:03 pmI'm going to have to dissent from the opinions of about everybody else and say that, for the most part, I did not enjoy this map. It looks nice and has a neat ambiance to it, but it just wasn't fun for me. I'll explain why.
http://i.imgur.com/HbiDc.jpg
I spent way too long here trying to figure out what to do. I was able to hop along the sides of the platforms on the left, but it didn't seem right. It wasn't until I watched a playthrough that I figured out the wall in the back was portalable.The rest of this room was okay. The puzzle wasn't bad, but not that great either.
http://i.imgur.com/pm7Mh.jpg
In the room behind this window, having cube droppers above the goo seemed really odd. Standing on the buttons to grab the cubes is really awkward and doesn't really add much to the puzzle.http://i.imgur.com/VRQNG.jpg
The models here aren't solid. I fell through them unexpectedly.http://i.imgur.com/SRUy6.jpg
This puzzle is really, really cramped. Everything is so ridiculously close together it's hard to move and consequently hard to get a feel for your surroundings. However, using the rubble to aim the laser was a good idea and was the one part of this level that made me feel smart.The "funnel puzzle" I simply do not understand. I spent a good 30-40 minutes trying random things to no avail, and I eventually gave up and noclipped onward.
This side of the window needs mustiness like the other side.
The portal isn't all on the wall.
Help, I've fallen and I can't get up!
Texture misalignmentI don't mean to try and hurt you by posting this, but rather help by giving you specific criticism on how to make your map (and future maps) better. It just feels like you tried a whole bunch of non-standard stuff, and I'm not sure if it panned out well. It's a good map, but doesn't appeal to me specifically.
I'm going to have to dissent from the opinions of about everybody else and say that, for the most part, I did not enjoy this map. It looks nice and has a neat ambiance to it, but it just wasn't fun for me. I'll explain why.
http://i.imgur.com/HbiDc.jpg
I spent way too long here trying to figure out what to do. I was able to hop along the sides of the platforms on the left, but it didn't seem right. It wasn't until I watched a playthrough that I figured out the wall in the back was portalable.
The rest of this room was okay. The puzzle wasn't bad, but not that great either.
http://i.imgur.com/pm7Mh.jpg
In the room behind this window, having cube droppers above the goo seemed really odd. Standing on the buttons to grab the cubes is really awkward and doesn't really add much to the puzzle.
http://i.imgur.com/VRQNG.jpg
The models here aren't solid. I fell through them unexpectedly.
http://i.imgur.com/SRUy6.jpg
This puzzle is really, really cramped. Everything is so ridiculously close together it's hard to move and consequently hard to get a feel for your surroundings. However, using the rubble to aim the laser was a good idea and was the one part of this level that made me feel smart.
The "funnel puzzle" I simply do not understand. I spent a good 30-40 minutes trying random things to no avail, and I eventually gave up and noclipped onward.
This side of the window needs mustiness like the other side.
The portal isn't all on the wall.
Help, I've fallen and I can't get up!
Texture misalignment
I don't mean to try and hurt you by posting this, but rather help by giving you specific criticism on how to make your map (and future maps) better. It just feels like you tried a whole bunch of non-standard stuff, and I'm not sure if it panned out well. It's a good map, but doesn't appeal to me specifically.
Quote from Motig on April 16, 2012, 8:26 pmHey Idolon, thanks for the detailed post! I think your points are very valid and I was aware of some of them when I submitted this map.
I agree that the start of the map is a bit too unclear even though I didn't change this before release. It's something I probably won't repeat as looking around with nothing to even try is no fun at all.
I spent a while thinking about why the cube droppers are above goo. And the reason is simply that it's just a really old remnant from when I first started with the map. I've just never really thought about it again. I could've made the water below them solid and it wouldn't have changed anything.
About the cramped room: I'm glad I didn't release it with the old version of that room then! It used to have a walkway in it as well where you'd have to duck to get around, it was way worse!
About the texture problems, they are mostly results of me not knowing about the brush sizes and texturing when starting this map. I've been able to get rid of most of the quirks by doing some rebuilding and sneaky scaling but some parts would've been too much work and I just wanted to release the map and move on to other projects.
And I'm not offended at all! I appreciate that you played the map even though you did not like it and let me know your thoughts. I guess in general you could say that the map doesn't really hint at the player what he/she should be doing/looking at. Some players will like having to look around whilst others won't. Cheers for the pictures and I'll have a look at fixing them!
Hey Idolon, thanks for the detailed post! I think your points are very valid and I was aware of some of them when I submitted this map.
I agree that the start of the map is a bit too unclear even though I didn't change this before release. It's something I probably won't repeat as looking around with nothing to even try is no fun at all.
I spent a while thinking about why the cube droppers are above goo. And the reason is simply that it's just a really old remnant from when I first started with the map. I've just never really thought about it again. I could've made the water below them solid and it wouldn't have changed anything.
About the cramped room: I'm glad I didn't release it with the old version of that room then! It used to have a walkway in it as well where you'd have to duck to get around, it was way worse!
About the texture problems, they are mostly results of me not knowing about the brush sizes and texturing when starting this map. I've been able to get rid of most of the quirks by doing some rebuilding and sneaky scaling but some parts would've been too much work and I just wanted to release the map and move on to other projects.
And I'm not offended at all! I appreciate that you played the map even though you did not like it and let me know your thoughts. I guess in general you could say that the map doesn't really hint at the player what he/she should be doing/looking at. Some players will like having to look around whilst others won't. Cheers for the pictures and I'll have a look at fixing them!
Quote from Eclipse on April 16, 2012, 9:28 pmI started the beginning just like Idolon, jumping across the left edges of the platforms. I didn't spend any time looking for a different solution though, that seemed intended at the time. When I came to the turrets I just assumed time for more jumping skills.
Quote:The only way you can get past the turrets right now is by killing 2 and running really fast or doing it the intended way.I found it pretty easy to jump past them with some strafing =p
I used the same thing in Sicklebrick's video a few posts ago (at 1:50) to bring all of those laser cubes through to the main room, so then I had no need for the last cube that spawned.
I started the beginning just like Idolon, jumping across the left edges of the platforms. I didn't spend any time looking for a different solution though, that seemed intended at the time. When I came to the turrets I just assumed time for more jumping skills.
I found it pretty easy to jump past them with some strafing =p
I used the same thing in Sicklebrick's video a few posts ago (at 1:50) to bring all of those laser cubes through to the main room, so then I had no need for the last cube that spawned.
Quote from Motig on April 16, 2012, 9:40 pmYeah I saw that video after the post, I guess I just suck at it! I've fixed some of the things in his video in the latest version that I'm compiling now.
Yeah I saw that video after the post, I guess I just suck at it! I've fixed some of the things in his video in the latest version that I'm compiling now.
Quote from Falconerd on April 16, 2012, 10:47 pmI enjoyed this map. There are a couple of problems that others have already mentioned. One is the start. I thought I'd somehow missed the section of the puzzle that raises the bridge. The only other real problem I had was the fan. I tried to throw the cube up at the fan a few times with no success so I ended up shooting a blue portal on 2 and the orange on the floor in between the arrows. Then I tossed the cube through the portal to the right and onto the catapult which shot it back through into the funnel. I did the same thing with the reflector cube but to the left and timed it so the bridge caught it.
I enjoyed this map. There are a couple of problems that others have already mentioned. One is the start. I thought I'd somehow missed the section of the puzzle that raises the bridge. The only other real problem I had was the fan. I tried to throw the cube up at the fan a few times with no success so I ended up shooting a blue portal on 2 and the orange on the floor in between the arrows. Then I tossed the cube through the portal to the right and onto the catapult which shot it back through into the funnel. I did the same thing with the reflector cube but to the left and timed it so the bridge caught it.