[WIP] [WIP] [sp] Into the Multiverse (Mappack) in progress
Quote from Caden on December 10, 2013, 10:32 pmFracture wrote:Its come to my attention that many users here are deliberately ignoring my work because of it is terrible, horrible, and overall BAD! I have been severely belittled all over steam by assholes who cannot accept anything beyond strict guide-lined perfection.Actual quotes:
Deathwish wrote:While I certainly appreciate the amount of time you have spent doing these, why keep releasing them as WIPs? Make them work proper first. You release a WIP publicly and it's full of bugs and problems like all 4 are so far then I'll downvote everyone one of them. I haven't downvoted actually, but I'm not upvoting either. Like I said in another comment. TOO MANY ISSUES! A hammer map without auto-saves? Anyway, I have no desire to play any more of these until they are not a WIP.Ultiman wrote:I would have to agree with Deathwish; the Workshop isn't a testing arena. I've been working on a map for about 9 months now, and I still haven't gone through a private beta yet because I want to remove all bugs before I release! I encourage you to talk with other mappers, and specifically, speedrunners. If anybody can find a bug, it's those guys! But about the map: Interesting storyline, but it needs more . . . thinking. I just felt like I was wandering around without purpose. Keep on mapping, and I hope to see more from you soon!
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Quote from Lpfreaky90 on December 10, 2013, 11:33 pmFracture wrote:Its come to my attention that many users here are deliberately ignoring my work because of it is terrible, horrible, and overall BAD! I have been severely belittled all over steam by assholes who cannot accept anything beyond strict guide-lined perfection.People
about textures, lighting, storyline, difficult, lack of direction, overcontrolling direction, and endless glitches that seem to
like bunnies and make even more glitches. I have done everything I could to make things better and those
still proceed to
and barf all over my work and tell more the same shit every time
"OH OH OH THIS IS AWFUL, WHY DIDN'T YOU TEST THIS, THIS LOOKS TERRIBLE, GO ASK SOMEONE BETTER THAN YOU TO FICX THIS, WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
So you know what?
!!
you guys. You broke my last nerve and destroyed my patience and every last shred of hope i ever had of creating something. I am done. I should have expected no less than to receive complete trolls all over the net
I can understand your frustration; but your language is just not acceptable; thus I edited your post a bit.
I think you're a bit overreacting. The thing is, that if you release stuff under wip people will give you comments on how to improve your map. Even though it can be very frustrating; it's the kind of things that'll end up making your map better.
The best thing is to listen to the feedback and don't take it too personal, people are trying to help you, not to troll you.
People about textures, lighting, storyline, difficult, lack of direction, overcontrolling direction, and endless glitches that seem to
like bunnies and make even more glitches. I have done everything I could to make things better and those
still proceed to
and barf all over my work and tell more the same shit every time
"OH OH OH THIS IS AWFUL, WHY DIDN'T YOU TEST THIS, THIS LOOKS TERRIBLE, GO ASK SOMEONE BETTER THAN YOU TO FICX THIS, WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
So you know what? !!
you guys. You broke my last nerve and destroyed my patience and every last shred of hope i ever had of creating something. I am done. I should have expected no less than to receive complete trolls all over the net
I can understand your frustration; but your language is just not acceptable; thus I edited your post a bit.
I think you're a bit overreacting. The thing is, that if you release stuff under wip people will give you comments on how to improve your map. Even though it can be very frustrating; it's the kind of things that'll end up making your map better.
The best thing is to listen to the feedback and don't take it too personal, people are trying to help you, not to troll you.
Quote from Fracture on December 11, 2013, 2:03 pmI HAVE ALREADY DELETED EVERYTHING.
I DONT WANT YOUR SHITTY FEEDBACK.
I DONT WANT YOUR OPINIONS.
I DONT WANT YOUR HELP.
I WORK ALONE.
I DONT PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS.
AND I DONT TAKE SHIT FROM NO ONE.
YOU CANNOT COMPREHEND WHAT RAGE I AM FILLED WITH. I HAVE BEEN PUSHED AROUND TOO MUCH FOR SO LONG BY SO MANY THAT I JUST FUCKING GIVE UP. YOU ALL LOST A POTENTTIALLY BRILLIANT MAPPER ALL BECAUSE YOU CANT SHUT YOUR PIE HOLES ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK AND DIDN'T SHARE WHAT YOU KNOW.
THE HAPPY BUTTONS ARE BROKEN. THERE IS ONLY ANGERY BUTTONS NOW
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSS
I HAVE ALREADY DELETED EVERYTHING.
I DONT WANT YOUR SHITTY FEEDBACK.
I DONT WANT YOUR OPINIONS.
I DONT WANT YOUR HELP.
I WORK ALONE.
I DONT PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS.
AND I DONT TAKE SHIT FROM NO ONE.
YOU CANNOT COMPREHEND WHAT RAGE I AM FILLED WITH. I HAVE BEEN PUSHED AROUND TOO MUCH FOR SO LONG BY SO MANY THAT I JUST FUCKING GIVE UP. YOU ALL LOST A POTENTTIALLY BRILLIANT MAPPER ALL BECAUSE YOU CANT SHUT YOUR PIE HOLES ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK AND DIDN'T SHARE WHAT YOU KNOW.
THE HAPPY BUTTONS ARE BROKEN. THERE IS ONLY ANGERY BUTTONS NOW
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSS
Quote from deli73 on December 11, 2013, 2:15 pmThe only way to get better at something is to actively strive to improve and ACCEPT CRITICISM.
People like Ultiman and Deathwish are only trying to help you get better, and if you don't want their help, that's your problem. You said once that there are two kinds of criticism. That's true, but I think you've made bad examples and put us in the wrong category.One type of criticism is Rage Criticism (AKA "bad" criticism, the category which you wrongly put Ultiman and Deathwish into)
"OMG THIS IS TERRIBLE IT SUCKS I HATE YOU"
Note how there is no suggestion for improvement in this.
Now, let's take a look at "good" criticism:
"This is a decent map, but I think it'd be a lot better if you changed X and Y and Z"
Note that the compliment portion of this is not strictly necessary, and they're not usually going to sugarcoat it for you. Saying "This is awesome and amazing" with no suggestions is just as useless as hating it pointlessly. People who do this give people a false expectation of what "criticism" is, and end up making it hard for them to accept real constructive criticism.
Let's take another look at Ultiman's post, shall we?Ultiman wrote:I would have to agree with Deathwish; the Workshop isn't a testing arena. I've been working on a map for about 9 months now, and I still haven't gone through a private beta yet because I want to remove all bugs before I release! I encourage you to talk with other mappers, and specifically, speedrunners. If anybody can find a bug, it's those guys! But about the map: Interesting storyline, but it needs more . . . thinking. I just felt like I was wandering around without purpose. Keep on mapping, and I hope to see more from you soon!Ultiman is giving you some solid advice here:
- Test your maps for bugs EXTENSIVELY before posting, preferably with the help of speedrunners.
- Add some more interesting puzzles to your maps.
Not only that, but he's complimenting you, too!
- "Interesting storyline, but it needs more . . . thinking."
- "Keep on mapping, and I hope to see more from you soon!"
It is simply unacceptable that I had to point this out to you. Next time you see criticism, read through it at pay attention to all the details, and take into account how you can improve based on what they're saying. Again, WE ARE TRYING TO HELP YOU. You should take advantage of that help. As a wise man once said, don't punch a gift horse in the face.
Fracture wrote:YOU ALL LOST A POTENTTIALLY BRILLIANT MAPPER ALL BECAUSE YOU CANT SHUT YOUR PIE HOLES ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK AND DIDN'T SHARE WHAT YOU KNOW.You only have yourself to blame for taking it the wrong way. And they DID share what they knew, you just didn't listen.
The only way to get better at something is to actively strive to improve and ACCEPT CRITICISM.
People like Ultiman and Deathwish are only trying to help you get better, and if you don't want their help, that's your problem. You said once that there are two kinds of criticism. That's true, but I think you've made bad examples and put us in the wrong category.
One type of criticism is Rage Criticism (AKA "bad" criticism, the category which you wrongly put Ultiman and Deathwish into)
"OMG THIS IS TERRIBLE IT SUCKS I HATE YOU"
Note how there is no suggestion for improvement in this.
Now, let's take a look at "good" criticism:
"This is a decent map, but I think it'd be a lot better if you changed X and Y and Z"
Note that the compliment portion of this is not strictly necessary, and they're not usually going to sugarcoat it for you. Saying "This is awesome and amazing" with no suggestions is just as useless as hating it pointlessly. People who do this give people a false expectation of what "criticism" is, and end up making it hard for them to accept real constructive criticism.
Let's take another look at Ultiman's post, shall we?
Ultiman is giving you some solid advice here:
- Test your maps for bugs EXTENSIVELY before posting, preferably with the help of speedrunners.
- Add some more interesting puzzles to your maps.
Not only that, but he's complimenting you, too!
- "Interesting storyline, but it needs more . . . thinking."
- "Keep on mapping, and I hope to see more from you soon!"
It is simply unacceptable that I had to point this out to you. Next time you see criticism, read through it at pay attention to all the details, and take into account how you can improve based on what they're saying. Again, WE ARE TRYING TO HELP YOU. You should take advantage of that help. As a wise man once said, don't punch a gift horse in the face.
You only have yourself to blame for taking it the wrong way. And they DID share what they knew, you just didn't listen.
Quote from deli73 on December 11, 2013, 2:18 pmFracture wrote:I HAVE ALREADY DELETED EVERYTHING.I DONT WANT YOUR SHITTY FEEDBACK.
I DONT WANT YOUR OPINIONS.
I DONT WANT YOUR HELP.
I WORK ALONE.
I DONT PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS.
AND I DONT TAKE SHIT FROM NO ONE.
YOU CANNOT COMPREHEND WHAT RAGE I AM FILLED WITH. I HAVE BEEN PUSHED AROUND TOO MUCH FOR SO LONG BY SO MANY THAT I JUST FUCKING GIVE UP. YOU ALL LOST A POTENTTIALLY BRILLIANT MAPPER ALL BECAUSE YOU CANT SHUT YOUR PIE HOLES ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK AND DIDN'T SHARE WHAT YOU KNOW.
THE HAPPY BUTTONS ARE BROKEN. THERE IS ONLY ANGERY BUTTONS NOW
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSS
Yes, we did just lose a potentially brilliant mapper. But honestly, I think your happy buttons were already broken. That, or the angry buttons were in front of the happy buttons so we couldn't reach the happy buttons.
I DONT WANT YOUR SHITTY FEEDBACK.
I DONT WANT YOUR OPINIONS.
I DONT WANT YOUR HELP.
I WORK ALONE.
I DONT PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS.
AND I DONT TAKE SHIT FROM NO ONE.
YOU CANNOT COMPREHEND WHAT RAGE I AM FILLED WITH. I HAVE BEEN PUSHED AROUND TOO MUCH FOR SO LONG BY SO MANY THAT I JUST FUCKING GIVE UP. YOU ALL LOST A POTENTTIALLY BRILLIANT MAPPER ALL BECAUSE YOU CANT SHUT YOUR PIE HOLES ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK AND DIDN'T SHARE WHAT YOU KNOW.
THE HAPPY BUTTONS ARE BROKEN. THERE IS ONLY ANGERY BUTTONS NOW
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSS
Yes, we did just lose a potentially brilliant mapper. But honestly, I think your happy buttons were already broken. That, or the angry buttons were in front of the happy buttons so we couldn't reach the happy buttons.
Quote from User on December 11, 2013, 2:26 pmFracture wrote:- Text -Do you think that you're the only one who receives negative feedback times in life?
I personally like it when people find 'Bad Things' in my map.
From this I learn what I can possibly do better and I can correct them.
But I know that they do not say it to annoy me. I mean, if you post your map in a Forum, what are you trying to achieve? Right, that people look at the map, play and say what they think. I think for these thinks are forums? No one wants to say that your map is shit, but i think that you will end up with a perfect map? For example, if you have a texture placed wrong, and publish your map. Then this error in all maps will be, but here we will say that to you and give you criticism, so you might fix a few things and she gets even better when other people will play your map.EDIT:
And that "ignoring" part, do you know how many maps are ignored? There are thousands of maps in forums/workshop who will become forgotten. That's really sometimes a bad thing, but you cant blame the users here in Twp.
Do you think that you're the only one who receives negative feedback times in life?
I personally like it when people find 'Bad Things' in my map.
From this I learn what I can possibly do better and I can correct them.
But I know that they do not say it to annoy me. I mean, if you post your map in a Forum, what are you trying to achieve? Right, that people look at the map, play and say what they think. I think for these thinks are forums? No one wants to say that your map is shit, but i think that you will end up with a perfect map? For example, if you have a texture placed wrong, and publish your map. Then this error in all maps will be, but here we will say that to you and give you criticism, so you might fix a few things and she gets even better when other people will play your map.
EDIT:
And that "ignoring" part, do you know how many maps are ignored? There are thousands of maps in forums/workshop who will become forgotten. That's really sometimes a bad thing, but you cant blame the users here in Twp.
Quote from Ultiman9711 on December 11, 2013, 2:50 pmIf this is how you are going to react to criticism, then I would not want to call you an "equal" in the mapping community.I was fully prepared to help you, but it seems you aren't the type of person to map. I believe you have lost a lot of respect in the past 24 hours.
If this is how you are going to react to criticism, then I would not want to call you an "equal" in the mapping community.I was fully prepared to help you, but it seems you aren't the type of person to map. I believe you have lost a lot of respect in the past 24 hours.
Quote from deli73 on December 11, 2013, 2:57 pmTake this as a lesson, people. Criticism is a good thing, don't take it the wrong way, and certainly don't do this:
Fracture wrote:I HAVE ALREADY DELETED EVERYTHING.I DONT WANT YOUR SHITTY FEEDBACK.
I DONT WANT YOUR OPINIONS.
I DONT WANT YOUR HELP.
I WORK ALONE.
I DONT PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS.
AND I DONT TAKE SHIT FROM NO ONE.
YOU CANNOT COMPREHEND WHAT RAGE I AM FILLED WITH. I HAVE BEEN PUSHED AROUND TOO MUCH FOR SO LONG BY SO MANY THAT I JUST FUCKING GIVE UP. YOU ALL LOST A POTENTTIALLY BRILLIANT MAPPER ALL BECAUSE YOU CANT SHUT YOUR PIE HOLES ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK AND DIDN'T SHARE WHAT YOU KNOW.
THE HAPPY BUTTONS ARE BROKEN. THERE IS ONLY ANGERY BUTTONS NOW
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSS
Or this:
Fracture wrote:TLDRLEAVING PORTAL
GOING TO GMOD
GOODBYE FOREVER
And above all, respect criticism and learn from it.
Fracture may have lost his mind, and may not be willing to accept our help, but hopefully others will learn from his mistakes.
Take this as a lesson, people. Criticism is a good thing, don't take it the wrong way, and certainly don't do this:
I DONT WANT YOUR SHITTY FEEDBACK.
I DONT WANT YOUR OPINIONS.
I DONT WANT YOUR HELP.
I WORK ALONE.
I DONT PLAY WELL WITH OTHERS.
AND I DONT TAKE SHIT FROM NO ONE.
YOU CANNOT COMPREHEND WHAT RAGE I AM FILLED WITH. I HAVE BEEN PUSHED AROUND TOO MUCH FOR SO LONG BY SO MANY THAT I JUST FUCKING GIVE UP. YOU ALL LOST A POTENTTIALLY BRILLIANT MAPPER ALL BECAUSE YOU CANT SHUT YOUR PIE HOLES ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK AND DIDN'T SHARE WHAT YOU KNOW.
THE HAPPY BUTTONS ARE BROKEN. THERE IS ONLY ANGERY BUTTONS NOW
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNSSSSSSSSSSSS
Or this:
LEAVING PORTAL
GOING TO GMOD
GOODBYE FOREVER
And above all, respect criticism and learn from it.
Fracture may have lost his mind, and may not be willing to accept our help, but hopefully others will learn from his mistakes.
Quote from Fracture on December 11, 2013, 3:20 pmHas it ever occurred to you that YOU should choose your worlds carefully? or that YOU should apologize? Some of us are emotionally damaged people. I can take a fucking compliment as an insult. And insults as death threats.
For me there is only win or fail. there is no inbetween.So shut the fuck up about your RULES and GUIDELINES. You are a box that some people want to be outside of.
FUCK THE LIMITS, FUCK THE RESTRICTIONS, FUCK THE STANDARDS, FUCK ALL THAT SHIT!!!Do you think I give a fuck about how something SHOULD BE?! or levels of goddamn DIFFICULTY?!
I OPERATE IN A REALM OF INFINITE POSSIBLITIES.
BUT YOU PEOPLE ARE STUCK IN THE REALM OF PREDETERMINED DESIGN.I AM FLYING TO THE ENDS OF INIFINITY WHILE YOU ARE GONNA BE STUCK AT A MILLION
I GONNA TRIP ACID ON A RAINBOW BARF UNICORN OF MEGA LASERBEAMS WHILE YOU STILL FIDDLE WITH TURRETS.FRACTURE IS OUT OF THE BUILDING!!!!!!!!
Has it ever occurred to you that YOU should choose your worlds carefully? or that YOU should apologize? Some of us are emotionally damaged people. I can take a fucking compliment as an insult. And insults as death threats.
For me there is only win or fail. there is no inbetween.
So shut the fuck up about your RULES and GUIDELINES. You are a box that some people want to be outside of.
FUCK THE LIMITS, FUCK THE RESTRICTIONS, FUCK THE STANDARDS, FUCK ALL THAT SHIT!!!
Do you think I give a fuck about how something SHOULD BE?! or levels of goddamn DIFFICULTY?!
I OPERATE IN A REALM OF INFINITE POSSIBLITIES.
BUT YOU PEOPLE ARE STUCK IN THE REALM OF PREDETERMINED DESIGN.
I AM FLYING TO THE ENDS OF INIFINITY WHILE YOU ARE GONNA BE STUCK AT A MILLION
I GONNA TRIP ACID ON A RAINBOW BARF UNICORN OF MEGA LASERBEAMS WHILE YOU STILL FIDDLE WITH TURRETS.
FRACTURE IS OUT OF THE BUILDING!!!!!!!!