Quote from The Irate Pirate on July 29, 2011, 5:00 am

If there is any map that has truly nailed that Wheatley flavour it is this. I was disappointed that the music was not the classic a4 labs song, the cubes weren't frankenturrets and the game text was actually sort of annoying, but other than that (and slightly poor optimisation) this map was amazing.

I even went into noclip after I finished the map so I could examine the vastness of the labs and you cracked the theme in a way few maps other than Infinifling and several others have.

Top notch mapping, look forward to more.

Quote from xdiesp on July 29, 2011, 6:51 am

Visually complete with animated sequences to boot, it's the evolved and matured Wheatley style already seen in CG-Oversized Test Chamber Storage Area - that work on the vistas paid off. The presentation's only dent lies in Wheatley's messages, not voiced or terribly catchy: possibly, custom voiceovers with your own core or more characterization might work. Was that innuendo with the "I've been rough with this room"? That might be a way.

However, I think the ground's shaky with the puzzlework: each chamber is about navigating one, small room which doesn't give you the proper tools to finish it - if not later, by a chain of events (spawning platforms, doors, bridges). Paired with the rigid script to follow, it's like being piloted blindly: you just get content with progressing by the moves, without the long run in mind. Difficulty is indeed high, but much of it comes from hard jumps and a couple gimmicks: the lightbridge especially, but [spoiler]infiniflings with gels[/spoiler] aren't that known either, and I think there's a jump on a live lightbridge in the first one.

Imho, it would be a good idea to add: exit signs on the opening of chamber 1 part 2; samely, one apparent exit for chamber 2; gel signs for the pit and strong implications of lightbridges being there in chamber 3.

EDIT Bugs: you can get stuck behind the wall, if you portal yourself to the upper slated panels you use to set the lightbridges straight; the Wheatley monitor in the same room is not solid.

Quote from Cache on July 29, 2011, 7:12 am

Map of excellent! Just found a lot of mistakes and goes beyond.

Quote from Adair on July 29, 2011, 7:42 am

After playing this and then watching the solution demos I'm surprised by how many of the puzzles I did solve with intended solutions. I would have guessed that about half of what I did was unintended, but in the first 2 chambers nearly 100% of the solutions I found were the same as in the demos. The stuff that was different is negligible, such as a slightly different fling to get somewhere, but the outcome was the same.

I did have some trouble in Chamber 3 though:
[spoiler]For some reason I couldn't make the fling that gets you to the faith plate and cube. I swear I tried several times the exact same fling as in the demo, but would always fly out from the angled panel too low to hit the faith plate. Maybe I coated too many surfaces with blue gel. I don't know if that can mess up a fling like that or not. Anyway I eventually used the reportal glitch to get a little more height and then easily made that fling.[/spoiler]
Also in Chamber 3:
[spoiler]I didn't use blue gel to reach the exit. I moved the portals around so that I could walk up the angled light bridge. Once I was up near the exit I figured I needed to get on top of where the light bridges crossed, but I couldn't figure out how. I tried to jump to the exit from where I was on the side of the crossing bridges, but the gap was too narrow. So I finally tried to jump and move a portal while in midair and that got me through the exit door. I can make a demo if that description wasn't clear enough.[/spoiler]

Quote from Saturn on July 29, 2011, 2:49 pm

The most annoying Portal 2 map pack yet. I just wanted it to end already, which is a shame because the Oversized Test Chamber is one of the best Portal 2 maps out there.

The second chamber made me impatient trying to have the gel shoot in the right angle in order to bounce to the button. By that time, alot of the place was covered with the blue gel sent you bouncing all over if you didnt make the jump right or were to close to a painted wall. ARGH. Also, the same track on loop made me crazy. This specific track gets on your nerves if it plays all the time.

The last chamber also got to me. The jump in order to get to the faith plate is too tough to pull off with no particular reason. For some reason my bounce came short. The bit with the light bridges also gave me troubles. I had a bug where the blue gel stopped dripping and when you quick-load, the light bridges are no loger covered with the gel eventhough they were when i saved.

The puzzles are cool but too much gel painting that made me unsure which surface to paint and if i can get the gel coming out in the right angle, with the portal being placable in only one way and me bouncing all around the place.

Quote from CrazyGuy on July 29, 2011, 8:30 pm

xdiesp wrote:

Visually complete with animated sequences to boot, it's the evolved and matured Wheatley style already seen in CG-Oversized Test Chamber Storage Area - that work on the vistas paid off. The presentation's only dent lies in Wheatley's messages, not voiced or terribly catchy: possibly, custom voiceovers with your own core or more characterization might work. Was that innuendo with the "I've been rough with this room"? That might be a way.

yeah the actual Wheately lines I had come up with were much more punchy and catchy with a bit of Cockney rhyming slang thrown in... but In order to get ANY of it to fit into game text I had to cut it down a LOT. Like I said in the blurb, I couldn't get the custom sounds to work on the map, dont know how to do that properly

xdiesp wrote:

However, I think the ground's shaky with the puzzlework: each chamber is about navigating one, small room which doesn't give you the proper tools to finish it - if not later, by a chain of events (spawning platforms, doors, bridges). Paired with the rigid script to follow, it's like being piloted blindly: you just get content with progressing by the moves, without the long run in mind.

honestly, I know what you mean. Problem was, earlier versions started out with a much less rigid script as you say, with all the elements more or less present and a lot less flipping panels. Problem was, playtesters kept using incorrect solutions with more "options" present, and I had to make all these scripted doors and triggers to compensate.

xdiesp wrote:

Imho, it would be a good idea to add: exit signs on the opening of chamber 1 part 2; samely, one apparent exit for chamber 2; gel signs for the pit and strong implications of lightbridges being there in chamber 3.

Okay on the signs, but the lightbridges in 3 were meant to be a surprise =/

xdiesp wrote:

EDIT Bugs: you can get stuck behind the wall, if you portal yourself to the upper slated panels you use to set the lightbridges straight.

those panels are for painting the lightbridges that come out of the floor. I was forced to put them in at the last minute because I realized noone would figure out that you can PAINT THE BRIDGES FROM BELOW. Since you can get stuck, I Can put a grating over them.

Quote from CrazyGuy on July 29, 2011, 8:39 pm

Saturn wrote:

The second chamber made me impatient trying to have the gel shoot in the right angle in order to bounce to the button. By that time, alot of the place was covered with the blue gel sent you bouncing all over if you didnt make the jump right or were to close to a painted wall. ARGH. Also, the same track on loop made me crazy. This specific track gets on your nerves if it plays all the time.

you mean the upper part of the first chamber? Okay, you're right, that music is kind of annoying, ill do two things one: change it to the propper ch8 theme and two: have it fade out after a few minutes.

So you really didn't like the bounces up the blocks to the switch that knocked the panels off? you think it would be a good idea to just remove the big blocks entirely and just have the upper part of 1 be the bounce out to 2? cause I am starting to hate that part too =/

Saturn wrote:

The last chamber also got to me. The jump in order to get to the faith plate is too tough to pull off with no particular reason. For some reason my bounce came short. The bit with the light bridges also gave me troubles. I had a bug where the blue gel stopped dripping and when you quick-load, the light bridges are no loger covered with the gel eventhough they were when i saved.

Im not sure what the trouble was for the bounce to the faithplate. Did you watch the demo of how I did it? [spoiler]remember the second bounce after jumping straight up off of blue gel is slightly higher so you can get some extra velocity that way. You have to put your "out" portal on the checkered wall, not the angles one[/spoiler]
also this is a known bug of the paint going away from lightbridges after quickloading. I am not sure how to fix the blue gel stopping after quickload either. If you press the buttons again it should start them back up

Saturn wrote:

The puzzles are cool but too much gel painting that made me unsure which surface to paint and if i can get the gel coming out in the right angle, with the portal being placable in only one way and me bouncing all around the place.

i'm not sure what you mean by this

Quote from Nexxus on July 29, 2011, 10:57 pm

CrazyGuy wrote:

. Like I said in the blurb, I couldn't get the custom sounds to work on the map, dont know how to do that properly.

have you tried this?.

post47726.html

as it says here :

You have to create a VPK file and put them into the "portal 2portal2addons" folder, if you do not have that folder, you have to create.

To load a VPK file is the same as a .bsp "map sp_bablabla"

sorry foy my bad english

Quote from Vleithmarr on July 30, 2011, 9:20 am

Great chambers overall, shame about the no-voice and the music, but really good. Only one problem: I couldn't solve chamber 3 and the demos aren't working for me. Could you post the solutions on youtube perhaps?
If not, I got to the point when you get the cube to activate and open the Conversion gel, and after that I've tried everything. i think the problem is I get stuck or rather stop my momentum on the diagonal panel, I just can't get through. I've tried getting momentum in the netted shaft before portaling myself through the diagonal panel on to the faith plate, but that only get's me to the cube dispenser. NO idea how to get to those far-away cieling emancipation grills.