Science Fair Poster 4 (Spoiler)
Quote from ASBusinessMagnet on April 27, 2011, 11:01 am[spoiler]By 50,000 years, assuming humans are not extinct (looking at Episode Three), SOMEONE would have discovered Aperture again and either destroyed it completely or rebuilt it good as new and with an A.I. with more management capabilities for once.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]With that FACT, I'll never accept Portal 2 50,000 years after Portal as canon.[/spoiler]
Quote from Player1 on April 27, 2011, 11:13 amASBusinessMagnet wrote:[spoiler]By 50,000 years, assuming humans are not extinct (looking at Episode Three), SOMEONE would have discovered Aperture again and either destroyed it completely or rebuilt it good as new and with an A.I. with more management capabilities for once.[/spoiler][spoiler]With that FACT, I'll never accept Portal 2 50,000 years after Portal as canon.[/spoiler]
You are making an assumption, adding some speculation and then calling it "fact". You're not using the word right.
We don't know what happens in Ep3/HL3. Maybe humans do get wiped out, maybe we win. Maybe we just got our asses kicked, but managed to survive and revert to stone age style life for a while.
Maybe Valve is trying to tell us something by the fact that Portal 2 happens[spoiler]and Aperture hasn't been discovered by outsiders. Or maybe it has been discovered, but Aperture defenses were too strong for whoever discovered it[/spoiler]. Maybe what they're telling us is regardless of what happens in Ep3/HL3 humankind is[spoiler]extinct in 50,000 years[/spoiler]?
The only way we can know is to ask them. Which is what that journalist did. Unless you can come up with a credible _source_ stating otherwise, this is the best information we've got.
You are making an assumption, adding some speculation and then calling it "fact". You're not using the word right.
We don't know what happens in Ep3/HL3. Maybe humans do get wiped out, maybe we win. Maybe we just got our asses kicked, but managed to survive and revert to stone age style life for a while.
Maybe Valve is trying to tell us something by the fact that Portal 2 happens
The only way we can know is to ask them. Which is what that journalist did. Unless you can come up with a credible _source_ stating otherwise, this is the best information we've got.
Quote from ASBusinessMagnet on April 27, 2011, 11:17 amPlayer1 wrote:The only way we can know is to ask them. Which is what that journalist did. Unless you can come up with a credible _source_ stating otherwise, this is the best information we've got.The World Without Us.
Many things are said, but the main ones are that urbanized areas AND the world wonders couldn't survive for any longer than 500 years.
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Player1 wrote:Maybe we just got our asses kicked, but managed to survive and revert to stone age style life for a while.Would require biological degradation. We live in 21st century, we (and especially the Resistance, who were put under the pressure of the Combine) have experience on how to rebuild civilization from scratch.
The World Without Us.
Many things are said, but the main ones are that urbanized areas AND the world wonders couldn't survive for any longer than 500 years.
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Would require biological degradation. We live in 21st century, we (and especially the Resistance, who were put under the pressure of the Combine) have experience on how to rebuild civilization from scratch.
Quote from Player1 on April 27, 2011, 11:31 amASBusinessMagnet wrote:The World Without Us.Many things are said, but the main ones are that urbanized areas AND the world wonders couldn't survive for any longer than 500 years.
That book deals with our current world should it suddenly be dereft of humankind. It doesn't really apply to the fictional world in which Aperture Science exists. For one thing an actual sentient AI doesn't actually exist in the real world, nor does a portal gun and a number of other things.
We can certainly agree that unless a structure is built to passively stand the test of time, or actively maintained, it won't last for very long. The salient point here is that the Aperture Science facility is not suddenly devoid of an agent that actively tries to maintain it. As long as the facility has power and raw materials there's nothing to stop it from renewing itself.
Many things are said, but the main ones are that urbanized areas AND the world wonders couldn't survive for any longer than 500 years.
That book deals with our current world should it suddenly be dereft of humankind. It doesn't really apply to the fictional world in which Aperture Science exists. For one thing an actual sentient AI doesn't actually exist in the real world, nor does a portal gun and a number of other things.
We can certainly agree that unless a structure is built to passively stand the test of time, or actively maintained, it won't last for very long. The salient point here is that the Aperture Science facility is not suddenly devoid of an agent that actively tries to maintain it. As long as the facility has power and raw materials there's nothing to stop it from renewing itself.
Quote from ASBusinessMagnet on April 27, 2011, 11:33 amPlayer1 wrote:Aperture Science facility is not suddenly devoid of an agent that actively tries to maintain it.[spoiler]It is. The Announcer is just prerecorded messages, and Wheatley is as good for a facility manager as you saw for the second half of Portal 2.[/spoiler]
Quote from Player1 on April 27, 2011, 11:41 amASBusinessMagnet wrote:Player1 wrote:Aperture Science facility is not suddenly devoid of an agent that actively tries to maintain it.[spoiler]It is. The Announcer is just prerecorded messages, and Wheatley is as good for a facility manager as you saw for the second half of Portal 2.[/spoiler]
[spoiler]What triggers the pre-recorded messages? What drives Wheatley to come get you?
Even if we accept your premise, any facility with moving parts like what we see in the game, will have stopped functioning after just a couple of years if not actively maintained. Oil grease lumps up, dries out, and all metallic parts rust together, just to name a couple of things. So it's equally unlikely that the facility should be running like that after a couple of years as after a couple of hundred or a couple of thousand to be frank.[/spoiler]
Quote from Remmiz on April 27, 2011, 11:48 amGuys, it says spoiler in the thread title. You don't need to spoiler every post in here, it's just annoying.
Guys, it says spoiler in the thread title. You don't need to spoiler every post in here, it's just annoying.
Quote from ASBusinessMagnet on April 27, 2011, 11:48 amPlayer1 wrote:[spoiler]What triggers the pre-recorded messages? What drives Wheatley to come get you?Even if we accept your premise, any facility with moving parts like what we see in the game, will have stopped functioning after just a couple of years if not actively maintained. Oil grease lumps up, dries out, and all metallic parts rust together, just to name a couple of things. So it's equally unlikely that the facility should be running like that after a couple of years as after a couple of hundred or a couple of thousand to be frank.[/spoiler]
Solar power?
If a solar battery is "maintained" in a sterile room with vacuum inside and glass walls then you are good to go.
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A likely conclusion is:
Valve set Portal 2 in the future, possibly long enough for any human alive during Portal 1 to be dead (120+ years), and did not want to disclose the precise time, just as they did with the Black Mesa Incident date.
Solar power?
If a solar battery is "maintained" in a sterile room with vacuum inside and glass walls then you are good to go.
EDIT:
A likely conclusion is:
Valve set Portal 2 in the future, possibly long enough for any human alive during Portal 1 to be dead (120+ years), and did not want to disclose the precise time, just as they did with the Black Mesa Incident date.
Quote from Nightgunner5 on April 27, 2011, 12:19 pmMy impression is that the parts of Aperture Labs fix each other. Unless absolutely everything in Aperture Labs breaks at once or they run out of seemingly limitless resources (listen to the commentary about turret building machines), the building stays in semi-working order.
My impression is that the parts of Aperture Labs fix each other. Unless absolutely everything in Aperture Labs breaks at once or they run out of seemingly limitless resources (listen to the commentary about turret building machines), the building stays in semi-working order.
Quote from ASBusinessMagnet on April 27, 2011, 12:25 pmNightgunner5 wrote:My impression is that the parts of Aperture Labs fix each other. Unless absolutely everything in Aperture Labs breaks at once or they run out of seemingly limitless resources (listen to the commentary about turret building machines), the building stays in semi-working order.There is only one central artificial intelligence, and likely only one central announcement system.
And, on that matter, the Aperture Labs weren't fixed until GLaDOS was turned on.
There is only one central artificial intelligence, and likely only one central announcement system.
And, on that matter, the Aperture Labs weren't fixed until GLaDOS was turned on.