Portal 2 level design guidelines
Quote from morrock on August 12, 2011, 4:17 pmKillerblonde wrote:Yep, I agree with the above. I do have a question for the mapping community though. How do you think of puzzles? The valve developer wiki has a section on it, but it's not very helpful. Right now I just throw random stuff together, start playing to see how I can solve it, then put I/O's together without a solution in mind, try to solve it, and then reconfigure I/O's to make it possible. It's unefficiant, and usually I don't get that great puzzles. How do you make your puzzles?I think the most fun way I've recently come up with a puzzle design was for a BTS area. I knew the entrance and exit, and a logical idea of how the area should look (it's BTS, so it should look like it's an area intended for function, not testing). I designed the area, made all of the surfaces portal surfaces, and then just tried anything. I ended up solving it about 3 different ways (not including 'portal at feet, portal at exit wall, done), I then picked my favorite, most creative way, and made the room work like that, removing extra whitespace/tweaking elements until I had my puzzle.
I think the most fun way I've recently come up with a puzzle design was for a BTS area. I knew the entrance and exit, and a logical idea of how the area should look (it's BTS, so it should look like it's an area intended for function, not testing). I designed the area, made all of the surfaces portal surfaces, and then just tried anything. I ended up solving it about 3 different ways (not including 'portal at feet, portal at exit wall, done), I then picked my favorite, most creative way, and made the room work like that, removing extra whitespace/tweaking elements until I had my puzzle.
Quote from MasterLagger on August 12, 2011, 6:07 pmHMW wrote:I like that idea. If you also make so it that the player would survive if they decided to jump off the panel, then you will have created a moment that will startle most players momentarily, but almost every player will then manage to avoid the death trap.(As for the auto-save, I'd make it trigger just moments after the player gets airborne, so they know that they didn't fuck up by stepping on the faith plate, but still have plenty of time to react the second time, should they have to reload.)
This particular trap would be used in order to reach the exit. Since the player must fling themselves to reach the exit, the momentum from falling towards the trap area panel would allow the player to fling themselves to the exit. Unless the exit portal was in the wrong place in which case the trap would be reset itself after the player escapes.
(As for the auto-save, I'd make it trigger just moments after the player gets airborne, so they know that they didn't fuck up by stepping on the faith plate, but still have plenty of time to react the second time, should they have to reload.)
This particular trap would be used in order to reach the exit. Since the player must fling themselves to reach the exit, the momentum from falling towards the trap area panel would allow the player to fling themselves to the exit. Unless the exit portal was in the wrong place in which case the trap would be reset itself after the player escapes.
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Quote from Killerblonde on August 12, 2011, 7:49 pmAnother quick thing I thought of. In any given test chamber, only 2 - 4 test elements should be used. If its only a cube/button, then it becomes too simple. Too many elements make the test chamber really hard, and also hard for the map designer to prevent unintended solutions ('cheating'). So far I've never seen anyone make this mistake, but I can imagine a newbie putting every type of gel, a funnel, a laser, a light bridge, cubes and buttons into a single chamber.... you get the idea.
Another quick thing I thought of. In any given test chamber, only 2 - 4 test elements should be used. If its only a cube/button, then it becomes too simple. Too many elements make the test chamber really hard, and also hard for the map designer to prevent unintended solutions ('cheating'). So far I've never seen anyone make this mistake, but I can imagine a newbie putting every type of gel, a funnel, a laser, a light bridge, cubes and buttons into a single chamber.... you get the idea.
Quote from MasterLagger on August 12, 2011, 9:53 pmYeah, I found that out the hard way on my Capture the Cube 2 map. I had to limit each players traps in the map to Lasers, Hard Light, Funnels, and turrets. I couldn't get gels to "fit" properly in that CTF gamemode. Ah well, maybe in CTC 3.
Yeah, I found that out the hard way on my Capture the Cube 2 map. I had to limit each players traps in the map to Lasers, Hard Light, Funnels, and turrets. I couldn't get gels to "fit" properly in that CTF gamemode. Ah well, maybe in CTC 3.
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[spoiler]Maps:
Revenge of the Angry Turrets
Capture the Cube [Co-op]
Capture the Cube 2 [Co-op]
TPWEGTH Sample Map
Aperture Aquatic Testing Center
Aperture Aquatic Testing Center 2
Aperture Time Testing Center
ML's Halloween Trick - 1000 downloads!
ML's Halloween Treat
ML's Combination - 1000 downloads!
ML's Jailbreak Labyrinth
ML's Tricky Teamwork [Co-op]
WIP:
"Capture the Cube 3"
Workshop Maps Link: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198008890579/myworkshopfiles/[/spoiler]
Quote from Killerblonde on August 15, 2011, 9:06 amNo, NO! Must...not....let...thread...fall...to...second...page!
Okay, I need to start another discussion. There are ceartain test elements to use in ceartain themes. Lasers are good for destroyed aperture and clean, funnels for clean and wheatly, (although technically wheatly only made 1 chamber,) appropriate boxes are for anything, catapults are for destroyed, clean, and wheatly. *EXCEPTION* I saw a custom catapult made just for underground style maps. This fit nicely. Gels are for underground, and maybe wheatly or a large clean chamber. Projector bridges are best in destroyed, sometimes clean/wheatly. Does anyone have differant opitions?
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No, NO! Must...not....let...thread...fall...to...second...page!
Okay, I need to start another discussion. There are ceartain test elements to use in ceartain themes. Lasers are good for destroyed aperture and clean, funnels for clean and wheatly, (although technically wheatly only made 1 chamber,) appropriate boxes are for anything, catapults are for destroyed, clean, and wheatly. *EXCEPTION* I saw a custom catapult made just for underground style maps. This fit nicely. Gels are for underground, and maybe wheatly or a large clean chamber. Projector bridges are best in destroyed, sometimes clean/wheatly. Does anyone have differant opitions?
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Quote from Marise on August 16, 2011, 10:08 amIf you're keen on staying true to the game, there are of course limitations on what theme certain test elements fit into. However, I'm of the opinion that mappers should use whatever elements they want, as long as it's a good puzzle. It's especially nice to combine elements that were never together in the game, and see what you come up with.
If you're keen on staying true to the game, there are of course limitations on what theme certain test elements fit into. However, I'm of the opinion that mappers should use whatever elements they want, as long as it's a good puzzle. It's especially nice to combine elements that were never together in the game, and see what you come up with.
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Quote from Spam Nugget on August 17, 2011, 6:52 amI agree with Marise, use whatever test elements in whatever theme you like. There are some really nice puzzles that mix elements that were never together, you shouldn't avoid puzzles like this just to fit in with the themes of the game. Be creative.
I agree with Marise, use whatever test elements in whatever theme you like. There are some really nice puzzles that mix elements that were never together, you shouldn't avoid puzzles like this just to fit in with the themes of the game. Be creative.

I think in terms of boolean variables. Generally, it makes things easier.
Quote from Killerblonde on August 19, 2011, 11:42 pmGood point. I was just meaning if you wanted a theme that made sense. (And I was actually jump bumping...seeeeeecrelty.)
Good point. I was just meaning if you wanted a theme that made sense. (And I was actually jump bumping...seeeeeecrelty.)
Quote from Vordwann on August 20, 2011, 11:05 amI think a chamber in one of my WIP maps is just near the border of too many elements, one would push it over the edge. It involves blue gel, cube and button, laser redirection, an excursion funnel, and one faith plate that does not do much, just launches a cube after it has been dispensed.
I think a chamber in one of my WIP maps is just near the border of too many elements, one would push it over the edge. It involves blue gel, cube and button, laser redirection, an excursion funnel, and one faith plate that does not do much, just launches a cube after it has been dispensed.
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Quote from HMW on August 20, 2011, 1:45 pmThat doesn't sound too bad; if you combine the cube and button, that's 5 elements. (Perhaps you can get rid of the faith plate if it doesn't have a real puzzle function.)
sp_a4_speed_tb_catch has 4 elements (cube/buttons, funnel, orange paint, and a fizzler that is part of the puzzle), and is my favourite map from the single player campaign, gameplay-wise.
(My favourite ones aesthetics-wise are sp_a1_intro5 and sp_a2_ricochet.)
That doesn't sound too bad; if you combine the cube and button, that's 5 elements. (Perhaps you can get rid of the faith plate if it doesn't have a real puzzle function.)
sp_a4_speed_tb_catch has 4 elements (cube/buttons, funnel, orange paint, and a fizzler that is part of the puzzle), and is my favourite map from the single player campaign, gameplay-wise.
(My favourite ones aesthetics-wise are sp_a1_intro5 and sp_a2_ricochet.)
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