Quote from FelixGriffin on February 18, 2013, 4:06 pm

That's impossible with normal water. You'll have to fake it. Sorry.

Quote from josepezdj on February 18, 2013, 4:36 pm

Use worldportals and make 2 different rooms, thus faking it, as Felix said Don't think there's other way...

Quote from KFredje on February 18, 2013, 6:27 pm

aw k change of plans then..tnx for the replies

Quote from lordkerward on February 18, 2013, 6:33 pm

Nice goal you were seeking sir KFredje, though a little bit hardness for your confusing map...
It could be possible sir,

Quote from BenVlodgi on February 18, 2013, 6:39 pm

shouldn't water stay at the bottom anyway?

Quote from Gemarakup on February 19, 2013, 12:47 am

Gravity in action affects water too.

Quote from josepezdj on February 19, 2013, 12:57 am

BenVlodgi wrote:

shouldn't water stay at the bottom anyway?

Yes, I meant 2 rooms, one with the water at the bottom of course; the worldportals at the ceiling of both rooms and connected. This way there could be the 'illusion' of water at the ceiling. The rotation effect is the difficult part, maybe this idea should be changed...

EDIT
I thought of a solution for the rotation effect It can be faked with a point_viewcontrol tied to a func_door_rotating (or maybe a func_rotating) this way:

1. You have the "normal" room (brushes, props, details, and whatever water at the bottom)
2. You have the 2 alternate rooms connected by worldportals. These rooms should be like this:

- room 1 is half the 'normal' room of point 1, for example the upper half, but turned 180 degrees (what's on the ceiling in the normal room will be here at the floor level)
- room 2 is the bottom half of the 'normal' room of point 1, and of course it keeps the orientation.
- each of these 2 rooms will have a linked_portal_door at their ceilings linked together, and their width and height values will be the size of the rooms' ceiling.

3. A point_viewcontrol entity at the entry to the normal room or wherever. This will be triggered as soon as the player enters the room and will become the player's eyes. It will also be triggered the func_door_rotating that the viewcontrol is tied to and the player "will see" the room rotating 180 degrees.

4. The player, in the meantime the rotation is having place, could be teleported to the fake couple of rooms. Specifically to the one which is now the bottom part, that is, room 1. This way the player will be in a room where he'll see at the floor level all stuff of first "normal" room's ceiling, and above him there will be water, the water of the "normal" room

*NOTE: the point_viewcontrol can only be parented to certain entities; I haven't tried the func_door_rotating but I tried a func_door and it works. In the case of any issue, try parenting the viewcontrol to the func_door and then this latter one to the func_door_rotating

Quote from KFredje on February 19, 2013, 12:23 pm

Quote josepezdj
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josepezdj wrote:

BenVlodgi wrote:

shouldn't water stay at the bottom anyway?

Yes, I meant 2 rooms, one with the water at the bottom of course; the worldportals at the ceiling of both rooms and connected. This way there could be the 'illusion' of water at the ceiling. The rotation effect is the difficult part, maybe this idea should be changed...

EDIT
I thought of a solution for the rotation effect It can be faked with a point_viewcontrol tied to a func_door_rotating (or maybe a func_rotating) this way:

1. You have the "normal" room (brushes, props, details, and whatever water at the bottom)
2. You have the 2 alternate rooms connected by worldportals. These rooms should be like this:

- room 1 is half the 'normal' room of point 1, for example the upper half, but turned 180 degrees (what's on the ceiling in the normal room will be here at the floor level)
- room 2 is the bottom half of the 'normal' room of point 1, and of course it keeps the orientation.
- each of these 2 rooms will have a linked_portal_door at their ceilings linked together, and their width and height values will be the size of the rooms' ceiling.

3. A point_viewcontrol entity at the entry to the normal room or wherever. This will be triggered as soon as the player enters the room and will become the player's eyes. It will also be triggered the func_door_rotating that the viewcontrol is tied to and the player "will see" the room rotating 180 degrees.

4. The player, in the meantime the rotation is having place, could be teleported to the fake couple of rooms. Specifically to the one which is now the bottom part, that is, room 1. This way the player will be in a room where he'll see at the floor level all stuff of first "normal" room's ceiling, and above him there will be water, the water of the "normal" room

*NOTE: the point_viewcontrol can only be parented to certain entities; I haven't tried the func_door_rotating but I tried a func_door and it works. In the case of any issue, try parenting the viewcontrol to the func_door and then this latter one to the func_door_rotating

[/spoiler]Thank you for the detailed description. I might try this out somewhere this week. I'm also having another problem when compiling the map if my water is on the ground:

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error: material WATER/WATER_WELL_BENEATH doesn't have a $bottommaterial

This is a transparent water texture and I don't know how to get this one fixed and the texture appears black in the map.

Quote from josepezdj on February 19, 2013, 2:58 pm

That means that your water material hasn't got a bottom material LOL

Check one of the simple stock water textures:

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Water
{
$forceexpensive 1
$normalmap "liquids/water_river_normal_sharp"
$flowmap "liquids/toxic_rep_flowmapr"
$flow_normaluvscale 160.0
$flow_worlduvscale 4
$flow_timeintervalinseconds 0.63
$flow_uvscrolldistance 0.1
$flow_bumpstrength 1.0
$flow_noise_texture "liquids/water_noise"
$flow_noise_scale 0.00082
$flow_debug 0
$basetexture "liquids/toxicslime_color"
$color_flow_uvscale 276
$color_flow_timeintervalinseconds 4.0
$color_flow_uvscrolldistance 0.11
$color_flow_lerpexp 0.98
$color_flow_displacebynormalstrength 0.007
$reflecttexture _rt_WaterReflection
$reflectamount "0.1"
$reflecttint "{ 190 205 205 }"
$reflectskyboxonly 0
$reflectonlymarkedentities 1

$abovewater 1
$bottommaterial "nature/toxicslime002a_beneath"
$fogenable 1
$fogstart 0
$fogend 100
$lightmapwaterfog 1

$fogcolor "{ 58 35 20 }"
$flashlighttint 1
"%compilewater" 1
"%tooltexture" "nature/water_frame01_normal"
$surfaceprop slime
}


There's a line with that parameter:

$bottommaterial "nature/toxicslime002a_beneath"

It's a required one. Put that same one: it's the typical browny fluid you see when you fall into the goo (that's the bottom material, the one that you see underneath the water surface when you sink in )

Anyway, what's the rest of the content in your .vmt water material? There are required parameters... try to tweak a stock one so you don't miss any.